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There is no "I": We are not our identity

The premise: we are not our identity(ies). A person teaches. But, a person IS NOT a teacher.A person writes. But, a person IS NOT a writer.A person thinks. But, a person IS NOT a thinker. A person...

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actually, the only thing we can say we are with some accuracy is that "we are breathers." Because the breath wakes us into life, and our last breath takes us into death. But, besides that, every other...

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You deliberately keep choosing these premises which hang on the very polar opposite of my own awareness, knowing that it makes for excellent testing of all our assumptions, yes?On the surface what I...

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huh?I'm just making a zen point. and a semantic one as well. :)

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and no, I don't want my premises "tested," nor do I want to prove I am right.I just want to be understood.

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Ah. Now I understand. You wish to make a point, not test a point. I will get out of your way.Oh, and as it happens the point you are making is completely opposite to Zen and to Buddhism in general --...

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Quote: Oh, and as it happens the point you are making is completely opposite to Zen and to Buddhism in general -- unless you choose to fragment and isolate identity only to the individual.couldn't...

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a nonsequitur point that is relevant to this discussion, I believe....I find it interesting that context influences the way I think and write. Since I've been posting in the V.C. recently, I feel that...

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ahhhh, I feel more my self now after having written that above post! Inspite of its abstractness, it definitely feels more like *me* than many of my more recent posts here. whew! :)

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on second thought, I realize there is a part of me that likes to "debate" about philosophy. Who am I kidding? :)So, Kyle, if you are still here and want to, express your thoughts away if you so...

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I remember, when I first heard about this point, that it made me instantly think of a "Sex and the City" scene. The handsome man one of the heroine is married to is impotent. He is also a very...

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Mmm. Would it have helped if I had included an ;) after the first line? Apparently I, unlike Ruffled Puppy, have lost the ability to "wink without a smiley".But, Sab: never mind how much I encourage...

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Oh, but I'm sure it is desired! Right, Reggie? :)

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Quote: I won't test a theory where it is not desired -- even though such is a primary purpose of this board.sure, test away!are you saying you are a tester/questioner of theory, and that is ALL you...

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Ah, but you reverse what I said.I do what I am. NOT the entirety of my being is what I am doing at any given moment. The two are not equivalent.

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Quote: I do what I am. NOT the entirety of my being is what I am doing at any given moment. The two are not equivalent.why not? What's the difference?

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You don't see one?

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well, it depends.So, are you saying you ARE a questioner, that that IS the essence of your being, and therefore, that's why you question 24 hours a day, seven days a week? But, if there are moments...

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It depends on what, exactly? I see the two statements as being drastically different -- so in order to communicate, I need to understand how you are qualifying them so as to see them as the same.If...

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Quote:The premise: we are not our identity(ies). Isn't this contradictory to all that you have written? I see an individual as one with multiple identities, e.g. I am a human, a breather, a student, a...

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As an afterthought, how important are names as identification, other than their function as labels for a person with a certain combination of identities?E.g.My name is Jared. But will it make any...

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